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Saraphim · Dec 02, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by jon0592

Lets be realistic here.

A-net never said there would be rewards or anything so people (like me) disregarded this.

Now that the BMP is out people (again, like me) are whining because we too want the cool skins that we'll never get.

From GW site:
http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ck/default.php

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Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.

That info has been up ever since they released the major details. I expect a lot of people (myself included) thought there might be a few greens, and that's about it. It was a nice surprise to find out it was actually better than that.

Saphatorael · Dec 02, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by jon0592

Lets be realistic here.

A-net never said there would be rewards or anything so people (like me) disregarded this.

Now that the BMP is out people (again, like me) are whining because we too want the cool skins that we'll never get.

Nope, not really. I still prefer the tiny content over skins that don't interest me. Stop generalizing others, it's as if you're part of some exclusive club and don't want anyone else to join anymore.' It's just the fact that not everybody had the chance to even get it, that frustrates me. Or the fact that there just weren't any real things to buy other than EotN (which some prefer in boxed version, such as me, but again the method payment is involved in my motivation), or more character slots, I still remember some people in-game being pissed off because they bought a character slot the day before it was announced. What were they to do? Buy 3 more character slots?

Arsalan · Dec 02, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael

I still remember some people in-game being pissed off because they bought a character slot the day before it was announced. What were they to do? Buy 3 more character slots?

Oh, ehh... I did

electrofish · Dec 02, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I've got the BMP and although I feel sorry for those that doesn't for whatever reason, if they were to put the BMP on sale on the internet they'd better put divine aura, faction dance and nf dance on the shelf too.

Snow Bunny · Dec 02, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by electrofish

I've got the BMP and although I feel sorry for those that doesn't for whatever reason, if they were to put the BMP on sale on the internet they'd better put divine aura, faction dance and nf dance on the shelf too.

qft

limited edition offer.

milan · Dec 02, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

For those claiming that they were unable to get it due to lack of Credit cards.

Bull****

Every country in Europe, the US, Aus, Canada etc have access to pre paid credit cards. Very simple to top up, no credit checks, available to under 18 year olds and cost very little. These can be used in the online store with no issues.

mr_groovy · Dec 02, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by milan

For those claiming that they were unable to get it due to lack of Credit cards.

Bull****

Every country in Europe, the US, Aus, Canada etc have access to pre paid credit cards. Very simple to top up, no credit checks, available to under 18 year olds and cost very little. These can be used in the online store with no issues.

As said numerous times. Screenshot or it din't happen. Pls send me to the nearest pre paid credit card in the Netherlands, and I'll applaud you.

trobinson97 · Dec 02, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

As said numerous times. Screenshot or it din't happen. Pls send me to the nearest pre paid credit card in the Netherlands, and I'll applaud you.

People in the Netherlands can't use paypal?

Conn · Dec 02, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

that doesn't not change the fact that the bonus mission pack, is a free bonus to the players who have faith in Anet, we got the bonus pack free, because we have faith in Anet to come up with a good product.

And the people who didn't buy through the online shop didn't? Buying 3 Collectors Editions and GW:EN, means I didn't have faith?

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Originally Posted by electrofish

I've got the BMP and although I feel sorry for those that doesn't for whatever reason, if they were to put the BMP on sale on the internet they'd better put divine aura, faction dance and nf dance on the shelf too.

Great idea, because Divine Aura and the special dances also add gameplay...

Oh wait...

IMO this should have been a free addon for people with all campaigns. Not that I would have played it, since I haven't really played GW for months and I doubt I will again for a very long time. With the exception of festivals.

Ec]-[oMaN · Dec 02, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Releasing content with a clause is a mistake in the first place. Then again anything to maximize profit for NcSoft and Anet, the 30$ goes straight to them with no middleman, wonder how much they made/lost vs shipping cd/code to stores for purchase.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Perhaps I can tell you why. aka This is my story on it.

I was a late purchaser of EotN as I simply was not ready to play it by the time the BMP was offered. Now It's my perogative not to force my hand and partake in the promotion and any rewards..except the MAGNITUDE of the rewards were absolutely not made clear. What I am saying is that if I had known that there would be rewards ike this, then I would almost certainly have reversed my position on buying the BMP when I had the chance.

I'm not complaining about the way the BMP was offered, I disagree with it, but it's ANET's choice so whatever. but

I do think its quite underhanded of them to not have included a preview of some sort way back when , of the designs of these weapons.

The people I see on these forums dealing out smug and snide remarks to those "whining" about not being able to buy it, are simply mostly those who were going to buy EoTN at that point anyway.

(Those who spent $29 or more JUST to get the BMP are pretty sad imo)

To sum up my position I'll give this analogy.

Say a rich man offers the average joe one thousand and fifty dollars, but in exchange , he has to travel across the country to recieve it, and exchange it for a thousand bucks of his own. Now some ppl, IF theyre headed to that point in the country anyway...would be more than happy to take up the Rich man's offer and kudos to them, but for others, It simply wouldn't seem worth it at the time.

Now lets say that on arrival, the Rich man decides to change his offer from one thousand and fifty dollars to TEN THOUSAND dollars. Then the ppl who took him up on his offer would be pretty ecsatic. But when those who didnt take him up on his offer HEAR about this, and ask if they can be included too, the Rich man tell them that it's too late. Too late.

Now I'm the kinda person who would normally just shrug it off and say "meh at least I'm no poorer"

But what RIGHT do those who took the rich man up on his offer and got their $10,000 , have to talk DOWN to those that didnt in a pretty rude manner? It is because of those people , who in my opinion are bang out of order, that I felt that I needed to make my voice heard on this issue.

- If you got the BMP , it doesnt give you the right to be smug and rude to those that obviously already regret not doing so.

The reason I dislike this promotion is that for EVERY OTHER promotion ANET has done , ranging from PVP tournaments to designing a wintersday hat, or the divine aura or collectors dance, BOTH the investment and the reward was made crystal clear. So you knew where you stood in your decision to accept or reject the offer. Not so here.

- My two cents.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 02, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

(Those who spent $29 or more JUST to get the BMP are pretty sad imo)

Nice smug insult to all those people who made a smart decission.

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

But what RIGHT do those who took the rich man up on his offer and got their $10,000 , have to talk DOWN to those that didnt in a pretty rude manner? It is because of those people , who in my opinion are bang out of order, that I felt that I needed to make my voice heard on this issue

Hypocrite much?

Jongo River · Dec 02, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

He did say "just to get the BMP". I got the BMP and I'm not offended by what he said, but have seen plenty of offensive remarks aimed at those who would like to buy it and missed out.

Simple fact is - it was sad for someone to spend $30 on stuff they didn't need/want to get something worth far less and then turn around and diss all those who didn't, because they would still like to buy the pack in a sensible, unmanipulated manner.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

"Hypocrite much?"

Can you talk in a way that normal ppl do please.

Well obviously it's not smart imo. If those ppl have money to burn on that then that's their business and their perogative.

But for you, the clue is in the name..BONUS mission pack. it's retail value is clearly not the same as a full blown campaign and those who made such a "smart" decsion in buying it for it's own sake, obviously paid alot more than what it is worth by itself.

Things are only worth what some ppl are willing to pay for them granted, but it'd like someone paying thousands of dollars for rare trading card. To some it's seen as "sad" to obtain it that way, and for others it is not.

By sad I did not mean it in a rude way, and what i meant is " a waste of money in my opinion"

Ps - I have a hard time believing that those who spent 30 bucks just to get the BMP KNEW they were making a smart decision. Odds are they knew they were being manipulated into paying more than what it was worth, but they just hoped that the gamble would sort of pay off, which it arguably has.
That's what it was, a gamble, as it could of easily been mediocre missions with poor green weapon rewards.

lyra_song · Dec 02, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

The reason I dislike this promotion is that for EVERY OTHER promotion ANET has done , ranging from PVP tournaments to designing a wintersday hat, or the divine aura or collectors dance, BOTH the investment and the reward was made crystal clear. So you knew where you stood in your decision to accept or reject the offer. Not so here.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/extras/missionpack/

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The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.

So thats 4 missions. Thats pretty clear.

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Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.

I don't know about you, but UNIQUE REWARDS is very clear here.

Something different, one of a kind, not available anywhere else. For me, when i saw Turai, and it said Unique Rewards, i instantly thought: TURAI'S SWORD??

The only thing they didn't say, was that these items would be customized.

So i bought GWEN through the store.

After the Eternal Blade started showing up in UW, it made my hunch even stronger.

Now....you might be saying, "How the hell am I supposed to know that?"
Well question... do you know what the next festival masks will look like?
Does Anet tell in always in advance exactly what it is?

It's a surprise and a very pleasant one (or unpleasant...if you dont like whatever mask you get).

I mean....if they said, youll get something good if you stand in this circle, and wait for 3 hours, but you didnt know what it was gonna be, would you stand there for 3 hours?

You took that gamble. So thats all on your head.

milan · Dec 02, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

As said numerous times. Screenshot or it din't happen. Pls send me to the nearest pre paid credit card in the Netherlands, and I'll applaud you.

Western Union is the one that immediately springs to mind. They offer a pre paid mastercard that IS available in Holland along with the rest of Europe.

Obviously you didn't spend much (or any) time looking for it yourself. Happily a couple of my Dutch friends did, they have the BMP.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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So thats 4 missions. Thats pretty clear.

Uhm except no it isnt. As the quality and content of those missions,could run the gamut of poor to mindblowing. But the missions themselves arent the Issue, so stop arguing a stawman point.

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Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.

I don't know about you, but UNIQUE REWARDS is very clear here.

That's right, you don't know about me. I completely disagree with you in that unique rewards is clear. Sskai's sword is a "unique reward" Green weapons are classed as "unique weapons" ,The quality of the skins and degree to which said weapons are rewarded (ie how many per character etc) is left completely up in the air.

Aka Unique weapons can mean ANYTHING almost. aka any weapon thats not already in the game OR simply any Green weapon.

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Something different, one of a kind, not available anywhere else. For me, when i saw Turai, and it said Unique Rewards, i instantly thought: TURAI'S SWORD??

I dont care.

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After the Eternal Blade started showing up in UW, it made my hunch even stronger.

Again , while your detective skills are impressive , theyre also irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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Now....you might be saying, "How the hell am I supposed to know that?"
Well question... do you know what the next festival masks will look like?
Does Anet tell in always in advance exactly what it is?

And? Then let me ask YOU pandero, Would I be going out of my way to spend $30 on a festival hat? No?

SO yeah, its a completely different issue.

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I mean....if they said, youll get something good if you stand in this circle, and wait for 3 hours, but you didnt know what it was gonna be, would you stand there for 3 hours?

Poor Analogy as it drastically oversimplifies. Say rather that , If Arena Net only held that offer in a single district, and that district was full, or they had asked someone to wait for a reward AND spend money, but not saying that its something "good" then you may be on track. Sure if waiting around in Lions arch is your thing anyway and you were due for a purchase in the store ANYWAY , then of course its no skin off your nose. But that doesnt give you the right to object that people want to be included too who WERENT die for a purchase , without being manipulated now that the rewards have actually been made clear, AS IT SHOULD OF BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING.

And Funny, I never heard A net call the rewards "something gooD" or ever gave any indication of their quality.

and Furthermore I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish for there is no debate here. The OP asked a question and I have give one of the answers and the answer that pertains to my situation. Now the vadility of my reasons is highly subjective and is outside of the scope of the OP's original question and therefor the topic, and hence is not up for further debate as far as I am concerned.

Nuclfus · Dec 02, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Perhaps I can tell you why. aka This is my story on it.

I was a late purchaser of EotN as I simply was not ready to play it by the time the BMP was offered. Now It's my perogative not to force my hand and partake in the promotion and any rewards..except the MAGNITUDE of the rewards were absolutely not made clear. What I am saying is that if I had known that there would be rewards ike this, then I would almost certainly have reversed my position on buying the BMP when I had the chance.

I'm not complaining about the way the BMP was offered, I disagree with it, but it's ANET's choice so whatever. but

I do think its quite underhanded of them to not have included a preview of some sort way back when , of the designs of these weapons.

I think calling it underhanded is a stretch. They said on their main site that they were keeping it secret for the sake of surprise (quote from official BMP FAQ - Q: What items are rewarded for the missions obtained through the Bonus Mission Pack? A: We are not going to release that information because we would like to surprise players with the rewards.). It was not to trick you into missing out on the deal: I don't think that even makes sense seeing as the whole point of this promotion was to make you want to use the online store during that period.

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The people I see on these forums dealing out smug and snide remarks to those "whining" about not being able to buy it, are simply mostly those who were going to buy EoTN at that point anyway.

(Those who spent $29 or more JUST to get the BMP are pretty sad imo)

You may have overlooked people like me that would have bought GW:EN during that time frame anyway but not from the online store.

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To sum up my position I'll give this analogy.

Say a rich man offers the average joe one thousand and fifty dollars, but in exchange , he has to travel across the country to recieve it, and exchange it for a thousand bucks of his own. Now some ppl, IF theyre headed to that point in the country anyway...would be more than happy to take up the Rich man's offer and kudos to them, but for others, It simply wouldn't seem worth it at the time.

Now lets say that on arrival, the Rich man decides to change his offer from one thousand and fifty dollars to TEN THOUSAND dollars. Then the ppl who took him up on his offer would be pretty ecsatic. But when those who didnt take him up on his offer HEAR about this, and ask if they can be included too, the Rich man tell them that it's too late. Too late.

Bad analogy. Anet never told you "1050 dollars" or "4 missions and no unique reward weapons", they said something more like "1050 dollars, plus more but we won't tell you how much". In your case, you made an assumption that the extra little unique rewards weren't worth it and it cost you.

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Now I'm the kinda person who would normally just shrug it off and say "meh at least I'm no poorer"

But what RIGHT do those who took the rich man up on his offer and got their $10,000 , have to talk DOWN to those that didnt in a pretty rude manner? It is because of those people , who in my opinion are bang out of order, that I felt that I needed to make my voice heard on this issue.

- If you got the BMP , it doesnt give you the right to be smug and rude to those that obviously already regret not doing so.

You lecturing us on what rights we have concerning what we're allowed to say is something I find rude and offensive, yet here you are doing it and I'm not going to stop you. That's not to say I condone the snide gloating you're referring to, but the fact that we all have freedom of speech means it's bound to get abused at times. That's something we have to put up with.

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The reason I dislike this promotion is that for EVERY OTHER promotion ANET has done , ranging from PVP tournaments to designing a wintersday hat, or the divine aura or collectors dance, BOTH the investment and the reward was made crystal clear. So you knew where you stood in your decision to accept or reject the offer. Not so here.

- My two cents.

A fair point of view, but don't get the impression Anet misled you. They did keep it under wraps, but to the same extent that a movie preview doesn't spoil the film's whole plot or similarly immediately reveal everything it has to offer. If you skip out on a free viewing of a movie whose preview didn't impress you only to rent it later and wish you saw it in theaters, you'd be hard pressed to accuse the movie's marketing of deceiving you into making a bad judgment call.

Loviatar · Dec 02, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Perhaps I can tell you why. aka This is my story on it.

I was a late purchaser of EotN as I simply was not ready to play it by the time the BMP was offered.

it was open for EOTN purchase to qualify until October 31, 2007 which is very recent

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Now It's my perogative not to force my hand and partake in the promotion and any rewards..except the MAGNITUDE of the rewards were absolutely not made clear.

any time Anet makes any claim on how nice something will be it raises expectations to the moon resulting in a Anet/Gaile flamefest for false advertising

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What I am saying is that if I had known that there would be rewards ike this, then I would almost certainly have reversed my position on buying the BMP when I had the chance.

i took a chance you didnt now what you want is a bonus weapon pack of those skins not the short missions

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I'm not complaining about the way the BMP was offered, I disagree with it, but it's ANET's choice so whatever. but

so stop complaining

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I do think its quite underhanded of them to not have included a preview of some sort way back when , of the designs of these weapons.

it was a bonus surprise not a weapons pack sale for the epeen crowd

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The people I see on these forums dealing out smug and snide remarks to those "whining" about not being able to buy it, are simply mostly those who were going to buy EoTN at that point anyway.

the cut off was way past EOTN release not just that point in time
you dont want the fun of the mission lore you want a weapons pack.

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(Those who spent $29 or more JUST to get the BMP are pretty sad imo)

they had faith that Gaile was right when she said it would be well worth it and she was right

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The reason I dislike this promotion is that for EVERY OTHER promotion ANET has done , ranging from PVP tournaments to designing a wintersday hat, or the divine aura or collectors dance, BOTH the investment and the reward was made crystal clear. So you knew where you stood in your decision to accept or reject the offer. Not so here.

and you are so wrong on that

Divine Aura / special dances were not shown at all and only a vague idea was given before i got mine

wrong

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Haijiibirdhead · Dec 02, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Special Dances are pretty clear actually. You know what youre getting. And This topic asked me why I regret not getting it, and I have given MY reason. You are out of place to try to belittle my reasons and opinions when that is what was asked for by the OP. Your rant Loviatar was NOT. And if you were listening, ITS the likes of YOU that i'm complaining about. NOT ANET. Aka there wouldnt BE a complaint or an objection from me if you let people express their opinions (and what the OP asked for no less!) without rude insults and flamebait.

and alright ill defend my analogy- and elaborate on my initial point.

It doesnt really matter if its $1050 or a great unknown. The simple fact is that the reward was perceived by many as not being worth going out of ones way to obtain. My judgement call was based on a standpoint where I did not have suffiicient access to the investment vs reward. Neither do the people in my analogy.

as I have said before, I dont take offence against A net as its only a few weapons, but I DO take offence at people using their " freedom of speech" (which does not exist on Guild wars guru anyway) to talk down to others who regret not taking part, much liek Loviatar just did ^ and who did not only because they had an insufficient idea on what the rewards would be.

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If you skip out on a free viewing of a movie in theaters whose preview didn't impress you only to rent it later and change your opinion, you'd be hard pressed to accuse the movie's marketing of deceiving you into making a bad judgment call.

Except there was no "Free Viewing" was there. It would be like this

- A Studio makes a movie, yet shows no previews or trailers of the actual content, and only releases a worded summary of a bit of the movie. and THEN price the movie at five times what it would usually be worth, but they say you can get it free if you watch four other movies made by them.

Now if you were going to watch those four movies REGARDLESS aka before the offer came along, then yay ..good for you , its win win. But If you werent, its not an unreasonable position to think that the person would pass on it.

Yet it later turns out that the movie was the greatest thing man ever put onto film.

SO the people who passes on the offer , ask if they can still see the movie, EVEN AT the price the Studio put for it.

But the Studio , refuse and say that no, it's too late and you cant, and it's not coming out on DVD. (Anet said theres no plans to rerelease the BMP)

Now the ppl who got refused..some may be bothered by that, others may not be. I however think that those the DID see the film to tell them to pretty much "Shut up and deal with it , Lifes not fair" Is a pretty darn rude and unfair thing to say. Hence my entire objection in this topic.